Thursday, September 13, 2012

Joyce Leiphon Money Cometh moment with a wink and a nod

On November 6th, 2007,  Senator Chuck Grassley’s (R-Iowa) office sent letters to six “televangelists” (i.e. Christian ministers who have extensive television exposure) in an effort to obtain information about potential “abuses” of donor-originated funds within these non-profit organizations.

I wished he had sent one to Leroy Thompson and Joyce Leiphon.  Though Joyce doesn't have a jet, or a Rolls Royce, (she has declared she will have these one day) she sure would have to explain the amount of cash she receives from her sheeple. But like with all cults, the cult leader has no accountability. When this investigation was going on, of course it was considered an "attack of the enemy" by Joyce Leiphon.  We had a private meeting where she told me that all cash money gifts were to be given to her "outside the church".

With a wink and a nod she told me she got that info from Leroy Thompson in a phone call and we were to continue giving her cash outside the church, like in the parking lot or in an envelope in her dinner basket (yes, she had members make her dinners).  She made this announcement to the core group, but I had come in late that night and missed it, therefore the private meeting.  I felt like a secret agent, are you kidding me?  Meet the pastor at a "drop" and give her your money?

I was fairly new to the LOTWC cult but understood the nod and wink.  I went home and told my wife I thought we were to pay things unto Caesar (like taxes), and I did not think this was legal and violated the spirit of the law as well as the letter of the law.  I didn't think it was proper and kept it to myself.

Joyce Leiphon, did, after several days rescind her annoucement and that she would continue to take cash from us at the pulpit while preaching the gospel of wealth.  I guess she had a moment of clarity and we continued to give her cash at each meeting 3x a week.

We continued to give, but changed to checks as we would be able to document our giving and for the deduction given on our tax returns.  But the cash gifts don't count and could not deduct that as a charitable donation.  Of course we were told not to be motivated by a tax deduction but how God's blessings would rain down from heaven like manna.  So, there was lot's of cash passing on to Joyce Leiphon directly.  What does Joyce do with the cash?  She is a 5013C non profit organization. I do know she gives to her man of gawd Leroy Thompson. She brags about it as often as possible.  I know we didn't help anyone in our church or community.  I did get a tax deduction for the money we gave in check form.....but the cash?  OH the cash, nothing, no deduction, nada.  Just a nod and a wink that one day too, people will be giving you their hard earned money!

67 comments:

  1. Bill, this is very interesting. A copy of this should be sent to Senator Chuck Grassley.

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  2. Bill,My prayer is the the Lord open the eyes of Joyce and others like her that what they are doing is in clear violation of scripture.Matt.22:21 They said to Him,"Caesar's."Then He said to them,"Then render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's;and to God the things that are God's.
    Then Luke 12 the whole chapter warnings about greed and the outcome of it.The blessing of the kingdom for those that seek Him and He has chosen to gladly give it to.The birds neither sow nor reap; how much more valuable you are than the birds!WE give only as the Lord tells not as man.Would not want to be in this group in Rev.21:8"But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and all liars their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone,which is the second death."Rev.22:15 Outside are the dogs and the sorcerers and the immoral persons and the murders and the idolaters,and everyone who loves and PRACTICES LYING.
    By hiding the cash money that qualifys for PRACTICES LYING!!!!

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  3. just saw a statement made that when God shows up there is a change. You know I truly believe this is so true. When God shows up and you make Him Lord of your life there is change for the better. However, you can profess God all you want but unless there is real Change in your lifestyle,if there is no Change I guess I could say God is not the LORD of your life. So if you were a thief before God shows up you would no longer steal when becomes the LORD of your life. So Joyce are you saying that God has made a change in your lifestyle. Since you have always had a love for money are not ready to give up and let God change you or are you still going to be yelling Moneeeeeeey cometh to meeeeeeee now?

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  4. Hopefully Joyce Leiphon is getting her act together, because if she is not, based on what has been divulged in this most interesting post by Bill Shaw, she could most certainly be headed for the Federal slammer.

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  5. Well Jesus said Matthew 22:21 Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar's and to God the things that are God's. So from what I understand you have no right even if you are a preacher not paying taxes on the cash you receive. Be a non-profit group like this group well as I see it since it cannot obey the laws of the LORD this woman cannot be hearing from the most high God. His word says to obey the law of the Land. I understand if the laws tells us we cannot worship the one true God we must disobey that law but to hide money and not pay taxes on it like this woman is doing is breaking not on only the Law of the Land but also the Word of God. I would wonder how much cash she is receiving in a year? From what I hear it is more the what most people earn. I guess when you have people eyes blinded you can cheat them out of anything. Even their salvation. IF she ends up in the slammer maybe she will get truly saved and start preaching the truth according to the Word of God not some "money pimp"

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  6. Hi Bill Shaw, wondering if you would be kind enough to explain to the honest people in this community why it is that Joyce Leiphon would tell her church people to give her money outside the church in the parking lot or in her dinner basket? That sounds so weird. Thank you.

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  7. We think we know the reason why Joyce Leiphon was asking for "cash outside of the church, like in the parking lot". It is very simply called income tax evasion. Perhaps she and her "man of Gawd" should be sharing the same cell in the federal penn.

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  8. This gal is so BOLD and so BRAZEN. She is a former police officer and sheriff's deputy, and one would think she would have better sense than to do something so shady. But being the sociopath that she is, she probably thinks she is above the law and will never get caught; but one of these days it's all going to come back and bite her in the BUTT!!!

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  9. The word of God tells us to watch for his return he will be coming back soon. Yes I know most people think since this has been believed in every generation since Jesus walked the earth the first time, Most people do not even look at the signs of the times as Jesus said. Before Jesus will return there has to be a falling away in the church. Well it appears to me that there has been the " falling away" with the money preachers and other preacher calling themselves little g gods. What does that tell you about the times. I am one to say you can profess Money cometh to me now til the cows come home and yes some may get filthy rich but what good will the wealth of the world do for you when the Judgment day comes and Jesus tells you He never Knew you. Money according to the Word of God is the root of all kinds of evil. I mean the Love money. When you believe that God wants you to be rich according to the world standards you are in fact denying Jesus Christ and Him Crucified was all that was needed to provide all your need. Yes Joyce is breaking the Law and she knows it but she wants the wealth of the World and the power that goes with it. This is totally against the truth of the Word of God. Look where the world is today. Islam is wanting to rule the whole world. and you are still throwing money at the feet of false teachers? What are you thinking. The church has crossed the line and judgement will be brought on the whole face of this earth. So Joyce and others like her please tell me what the riches of the world will do for you. Will you deny the only God and His Son Jesus Christ in order to keep all your wealth? It breaks my heart to know that members of my earthly family are believing this lie from the devil that God wants them to be rich. It goes even deeper when one sister is preaching these lies leading many souls to hell because with this false teaching you no longer trust that Jesus Christ has done enough to supply all you need. This is also true of the Word of faith doctrine. If you ask the HOLY SPIRIT to show you the truth and are willing to accept the fact you could be wrong He the Holy Spirit will show you the truth. I know he has shown me the truth that is in His word and it ain't money cometh to me now but It is Forgive me My Lord and MY God in Jesus name for my unbelief.

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  10. I want to answer the question about what is a covenant. Well to the one that told me to read 1 Sam and 2 Sam. I did read these books not just the chapters and realizing with the help of the HOLY SPIRIT that Johnathan and David could be looked at as though their covenant was a foreshadowing of what Christ will do for us. Everything that was Johnathan's became David and the same with David. I read in 2Sam about Johnathan son who hated David. I guess I can relate all this to the fact that until someone ask Jesus to be the LORD of their life we also hate God. So since everything these two guys have belonged to each other and also their children were included in this covenant that means it is the same for us with Jesus even if we hate him like Johnathan son hated David?

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  11. I was talking with my mother the other day. We got on the subject of LOVE. I told her that most people have a selfish love for other people. Meaning until we have the LOVE of Jesus in us there is no way we can love anyone other then ourselves with out it being selfish love ( what will come out of it for me). Unlike the unselfish love Of Jesus Christ who willing gave his life for all men. When we stop to think about this for a while we should realize that if we could have paid the price for our own sin debt, Jesus would not have had to die on the Cross. With saying this would you not think more then once before jumping into a love relationship with another god or other gospel. I am talking about the Word of Faith teaching and also the money cometh teaching. IF as the Word says that God so loved the World that he Sent His Only Begotten Son to Die for us. Don't you think HE made provision for those of us who will allow him to live in us. It appears to me these men and women who are preaching this false gospel does not have their Faith placed in the proper object. That is the Cross of Christ. The Cross of Christ calls us who are one of His to rest in the fact that He ( Jesus) said it is finished. Meaning there is nothing more for to be done. All we have to do is as Abraham did. believe God. The Just shall live by faith and today that faith must be place in the finished work of Christ at Calvary. Are you trusting in this finished work of Jesus or are you trusting in the works that you do or the preacher?

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  12. A Different Gospel
    2 Corinthians 11:4 "For if one comes and preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted, you bear this beautifully."
    What is a different gospel? There are multitudes of cults out there, endless bad doctrine and the false prophets are more common than the true prophets. But what is the different gospel that Paul was writing about to the Corinthians?
    If you look at this passage in context, we learn exactly what Paul is talking about, and it’s not what you’d expect!
    2 Corinthians 11:3-4 "(3) But I am afraid that, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, your minds will be led astray from the simplicity and purity of devotion to Christ. (4) For if one comes and preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted, you bear this beautifully."
    A false gospel is anything which does not revolve around SIMPLE DEVOTION TO CHRIST. Set yourself to simple, pure devotion to the Lord Jesus - making Him EVERYTHING to you. Any gospel that does not center around making Jesus Christ everything to you is a false gospel.

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  13. Those who say they are called of God to preach the Gospel should be preaching the true Gospel which is the Cross of Christ. If anything else is being preached then it is another gospel not the true Gospel. IF your pastor is not preaching against sin and that Jesus Paid the sin offering acceptable to God the Father for sin they are not preaching the true Gospel. Cor 1:14-17 tells us all what the true gospel is. Money cometh to me now is not the true Gospel. Some are preaching that God wants some but not all to be rich. How can this be when Jesus and God the Father give the same blessing to all them that believe. Since God is not a respecter of persons how can anyone preach that one is more deserving then another. Surely not by professing that they are a royal member of the family of God. When all true believers are in the family of God as long as their faith is in the Cross of Christ. According to the Word of God only those who place their faith exclusively in the finished work of Christ will be saved. God gives each person enough faith to know that they were forgiven of sin at the Cross of Christ if you chose to believe it. However there are some who want ways of the world instead of the ways of God. The scripture when opened by the Holy Spirit tells us it is only by the finished work of Jesus Christ at the cross is anyone forgiven of their sins. That includes me and you and most especially preachers. We are all given the same measure of faith to believe God. Now we all can chose to follow false doctrine or we can chose to believe God. I chose to believe the Word of God and that is Jesus and Him Crucified. the LOVE of money gets all kinds of evil. So if money is your thing then there is no part of God in you. We as Children of the Most High God are to place all your trust in Him and that no matter what our need is He is the provider. Yes we have to work and earn our living but He is the one that provides the work . Matthew 6 says seek first the kingdom of God and HIS Righteousness and all will be added unto you. YOu read it and ask the HOLY SPIRIT to tell you if this money gospel being preached is His idea or mans.

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  14. If you get Jesus wrong you have everything wrong.

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  15. And this is a Woman of God, who calls herself a good Christian?

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  16. There are a lot of people who believe they are Christians However just saying it does not make it true. I doubt very much if this woman has ever truly asked Jesus to be the LORD of her life. If she has she is one the bible talks about that has fallen away. Once Knowing the truth of the LORD Jesus Christ and then preach another gospel as she is doing. Well you search the scripture for yourself. I will continue to pray for her and her followers. I am not saying I have total knowledge of the Scripture but I do Thank God that he has blessed me not only in Spiritual matter but also in the material things. I have learned over the years to be content with whatever I have and not pray and ask for wealth. My prayer is to Know HIM. That there be more of HIM evident in my life then myself. That is something I have to do everyday in order not to think more of myself then I ought as the bible says. Jesus Christ died for all sin and all men. Not just some but all.

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  17. I would like to tell some of you who read this post and are going to Joyce Leiphon group. Our Dad was in WW2. HE was hit in the left buttocks by a snipers grenade. He was partially paralyzed on the left side. He was in the Hospital for quite a long time. In 1948 he had to quit a very good job because of the pain this injury still caused him. He had to have the sciatic nerve in his back cut and tied off. He was told by military Dr. He would be in a wheelchair if He didn't find a job that allow him to sit more then walk and stand. My Dad became a boilermaker. He climbed several feet up in the sky doing what boilermakers do. He drank pretty heavy for sometime. However, in 1974 Dad got saved. God healed him of the pain of the injury he had suffered in the War. He lived for GOD the last 15 years of his life. He quit drinking and smoking and starting believe what the Word of God said. He studied and realized the modern day church was teaching more lies and half truths then he could stand still for. He preached Jesus Christ and HIM Crucified. He didn't glorify himself. He believed in giving as the Holy Spirit put on His heart and also He didn't tell anyone what he was giving. So I would again like to tell all those following Joyce Leiphon and other preaching money cometh to me now to stop and take a real look in what the Scripture says about giving. Are you giving to get or are you giving because you have a real understanding that the money you are giving is going to help spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ and him crucified all over the World or is it going into the pocket of the preacher and for gifts they believe they deserve. $1800 dollar purse my goodness that would have bought a lot bibles to those who don't have one or can't afford one. Oh I forgot with Joyce and her group you don't need a bible you have Joyce and she is the one that tells you what the bible says instead to teaching you that that is the HOLY SPIRIT Job not another human. Yes some are preaching the truth but it is your duty just like my dad did. He search the scripture and found the truth and it set him free from all sin and bondage and most of all death ( spiritual death)Dad graduated to be with the LORD in 1989. He had done all he was told to do by the LORD and he was ready to go home. I miss him but you know I am really glad he has graduated from this life so as not to be hurt by the fact that one of His daughters could lead so many souls to hell with false doctrine. Knowing my Dad this would upset him because of His love for the LORD I have no clue what he would have done to stop the lies coming from his daughter Joyce Leiphon. She knows what he told her and she knows it is the truth and yet she preaches lies. How can this be you may ask? Well it is called self, along with the world the flesh and the devil. All of this is guiding Joyce in her zeal to be wealthy and worshiped.

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  18. We who have placed all our Faith and trust in the Cross of Jesus Christ must speak out against these false teachers. Just as Jesus came against the self-righteous in his day we also must speak out against the same in our day. When we yield ourselves to the Lord Jesus Christ and allow Him work in our lives we will be enabled by the POWER of the HOLY Spirit to complete the Work the LORD has placed on us. It is never by our own power but by HIS POWER. I have learned the Holy Spirit will use any willing, yielded vessel. But those who believe they are more deserving then others well I truly have doubts that they have a real relationship with the LORD Jesus Christ. To me and you can correct me if I am wrong. This Christian walk is all about developing a real one on one relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ. He being my God, my Lord, my Savior, my master, my friend, my All in All. He is my everything nothing else matters except Jesus Christ and him Crucified an becoming a willing servant of the LORD. Not one to be served but to serve where ever the LORD places me.

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  19. I have been searching the Bible looking to find a passage that tells me that the man or woman of God is to be served. Everywhere I read the Word says we are to become the servant of the LORD. Just like Jesus said while he was on this earth he only would do what he saw the Father do. How often do we only do what the Father has shown us to do through Jesus and His Word. I know in my own life I have missed the Lord often. I do not understand how this woman or any other preacher can say they are above the ones they are preaching their gospel to. How can anyone claim to be called of God and preach such lies? How can they not know that it is the Shed Blood of Jesus Christ on the cross that saved all men from sin. Does that mean no one will ever sin again? Does that mean that there are only a few that are allowed to sin and still be blessed with wealth and this be from the Most High God. I don't think so do you? How can anyone who has professed Jesus Christ as their savior preach such lies as the Word of Faith and money cometh to me now preachers do. I just can't understand it!!!

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  20. As we said before and will say again, Joyce Leiphon had best enjoy all of her wealth in her time on this earth; because she's clearly not headed to glorious Eternity with the Lord (But she may be headed to the Federal pokey if she is hiding and not reporting all this cash she's getting)

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  21. I have been told that I need to show these false teachers and their followers the LOVE or God. What these people do not realize is the LOVE of God sent His Only Begotten Son Jesus Christ to die on the Cross for unrepentant humans. Now if The Only God the Most High God can send His Son to die to show His love to all Why is it that if we tell these false teachers the truth they believe we are not being loving. I would much rather someone tell me the truth even if it makes me angry then to know the truth and say nothing at all. Some who are believing the lies of Preachers like Joyce Leiphon are truly being deceived some are being deceived because the want the wealth of the World the Power and position great wealth can give. I am here to tell you the truth. Greed will take you to hell. All liars are doomed to hell. We all sin and Yes Jesus has paid the price for all sin. But when you fall for every wind of false doctrine because it ministers to your flesh I am telling you the truth you are on you way to hell. IF God did not spare HIS son what makes you think He will allow you to pervert HIS SONS death to be come a way of getting rich. I am rich in the LOVE of my God and Savior. I need to die daily and pick up my cross. Die to myself to what I want when I want it not matter what it cost another person. I want to Depend on Jesus for all my need is met Him. Not the World the flesh and the devil. I pray for all men to be save and to have a real relationship with Jesus. That is one prayer I know God hears as He also wants all men to come to Jesus as He is the only way to the Father. Not gold silver and all the power on the earth will gain you anything but grief.

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  22. hey I searched the internet for things concerning Money cometh to me now teaching. There are many sites where former member tell their stories about this teaching. It shocked me to know the truth about this teaching. Please you who are following this teaching do your own research. It will show you that everything being said on this site is the truth.

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  23. This pastor is pure evil. That says it all.

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  24. I would like to say at this time we all are evil in and of ourselves. Some are worse then others but according to the Word of God only those who call up on the name of Jesus will be saved from sin and death. then it also says we are to die to ourselves. To pick up our cross daily and follow Jesus. The word truly does not tell us to follow man. I know Paul the Apostle said to do the things that the people had seen him do. Now we can not see how Paul lived but we have his written account of how he lived. He said he was a servant of the most high God. That he had all his faith and trust in the what Jesus did on the Cross. Jesus shed His Blood for our sin debt. Even Jesus said narrow is the way to the gate to eternal life with him. It is only through the Shed Blood of Jesus that we can call on the Father and call out Abba Father. We are not to place our faith and trust in what some preacher tells us. We have to go to Word of God and the Power and working of the HOLY SPIRIT if we are in fact one of his. Working in us to lead and guide us in all truth. Some profess Jesus Christ yet by the way they treat others you know if it is real. Does your pastor demand you to serve them? Pastor or minister is to be the servant not the served. Read it!! It is in the Word of God. IF you truly want the truth you will find it for your self. All you truly have to do is ask God the Father in Jesus name to give you the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Do not do this if you truly do not want the truth. You see he will show you things about yourself you will have a hard time believing you were so sinful. I know I was totally shocked about myself. I am not there yet but Praise God I am on my way.

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  25. Don't be so hard on yourself, JF Cecil. You sound like a wonderful person, a woman who truly loves the LORD. And I know he loves you too!

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  26. Thank you anonymous for your kind words. Yes I do love the LORD and that is the only reason I am posting on this blog. You see God MY Father does not want anyone to be lost. That is my prayer for all who are preaching and following the false teaching of Joyce Leiphon and others like her. That they come out from among this false teachings. You see when after 25 years of struggling to live as a Christian the LORD finally showed me that in and of myself I cannot do it. That is the reason for the tiny part of faith he gave me and HE gives all men to believe that Jesus Christ paid the debt that I could not pay. He has done it all. I don't have to do anything just believe that Jesus would let me nail Him to the cross and he would still forgive me if I asked. When Jesus truly became real to me my life changed. I do not have to do anything. He chose me I didn't chose him. Pride was one of my biggest sins and I need to daily die to that. You see I used to say " I didn't deserve to be treated the way I had been treated". You see never ever feeling as though I was good enough to be a member of the Cecil family. But Jesus clearly showed me that without HIM I wasn't good enough for anything. But In Him I am everything, his servant His friend. More importantly He Saved me from myself. Most of my natural family still look down their noses at me because the do not believe Jesus died for me too. How could he die for someone who has lived like Jan. You know that is called self-righteousness and I do pray for them all to know Jesus as I know Jesus. No human being wants to accept a Savior that has done it all that the human has nothing to with the salvation except to believe and develop a one on one with the LORD Jesus Christ. I do not want to be a stumbling block to keep anyone from knowing the LORD Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ died for all men not just some. Jesus did not put Joyce Leiphon or any of the rest of the money preacher on this earth to rob you blind. These people who have known the truth but decided they wanted to be god to pervert the Gospel to be used as a tool from the devil to lead as many as possible hell. Read it is in the Word. I found it out for myself you need to also. But when after you have followed these false teacher and you see that they are being used as a tool of the devil to pervert the Gospel of Jesus Christ and you come out from them it is your duty as a Christian to speak out against such teaching. I thank Bill just about every day for this blog. He is doing all he knows the LORD has put on his heart to have others who have experienced this false teaching to speak out against this by using this blog. Thousands are reading what is going on here and I praise God that the Gospel the true Gospel is being preached on this blog. It is not about me or you or any other Human being. It is all about Jesus Christ and Him Crucified, raised from the dead and sitting at the Right hand of The Father.

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  27. Since God gave man a free will to obey Him, or he can have his own way. That God allows him to sin if he wants to.We are not puppets or robots.Why does anyone believe that he now gives man authority over them that they have to obey everything that they say.That one has to give them money that the believer has to make them rich.The word of faith Denomination is little different from Roman Catholic Popery.It more or less teaches the same thing.Its error is little different,if any at all from Catholic error.Man creates the denomination not God.Check out ICor.1:10 read the chapter and (has Christ been divided)the denominations set up walls between believers that are not mature in Christ.God does not. We are told to come to Him and believe his Word and the Holy Spirit will teach us all Truth.Do you believe he is able, have you asked him to open His word to you? When he does you will not have to trust man to tell you what God is saying.In John 10 Jesus said my sheep KNOW MY VOICE.If one follows His Voice He will lead in all Truth.He will not twist the Word like the word of faith preachers do,so you will be dominated by them,out of fear of losing money that you have sowed or getting sick because you did not obey them.The money one gives is to be given for the Gospel to go out to all the world.Also to take care of widows and orphans,not in some preachers pocket.Our Faith is to be in JESUS CHRIST and what he finished at the Cross not in all of our works,fasting giving money etc.To those that have been giving money for years and have not got rich yet,it will not come because God want you not your money.He expects you to see if the money is going to preach the Gospel, not in some preachers pocket.If you give where He tells you not where man tells you then you will see a return.Check out in the Word Of God and you will see that what I am sharing is true. In Jesus's Love JC

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  28. I have read most of the scriptures that have been posted on this blog. Now as I understand what is being said and correct me if I am wrong. There is material blessing in the Lord Jesus Christ but only if in fact we have a real relatioship with HIM. Not just in name only but from the heart. But you are saying we are not to give our tithes and offereings in order to get from God. If that is the reason we are giving we are wasting our money is this what you are saying? How do we know if we are giving in the right place? I mean that it is the Will of God to give to certian preachers and not others>

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  29. while reading the word of God this morning I feel that I can say the Old Testement truly is still for today. While reading Jer. 17:5 I realize just how much I had been trusting in man and the flesh and Not the Most High God. Just like God the Father used Jeremiah, Isaiah, Hosea, well all the prophets of old to warn His people. God is still using many of the old prophet and the people posting on this blog to warn the People who claim to know the LORD to repent. Who do you trust? God or Man? Are you still wondering in the wilderness are you still believing the Lie just like Eve. " You shall be like God" Have you become a little god yet. How many times do you reject what the word of God says but accept what some man or preacher says. How much time do you spend seeking the Face of God to lead and Guide you into HIS truth? I truly believe time is running out!!!! Who are you going to put your faith and trust in, The Most High God or your preacher? For me my trust is in the MOst High God and what He did for me at the Cross .I have been bought with a price. I give Jesus Christ all of me and all that I am. Never will I ever put myself on the pedestle with HIM. Like some preachers are doing. God forgive them

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  30. Well I have to say that everything for a Christian comes only through Jesus Christ and the fact that He freely gave his life on the cross to pay the debt that no human other then Jesus could pay. His is the only perfect one. So all you who are looking for the Blessings of the Lord I will tell you how to get them and it is not through Money cometh to me now. It is only through having a real relationship with Jesus Christ and denying self (flesh) denying the greed and envy of your heart. Do you want the wealth of the wicked? Well from all I read in the word of God you are in big trouble. I will continue to pray that the LORD intervenes in you life to show you that it is only through His shed blood that you can have the blessing of the LORD. You can command the wealth of the wicked all you want and you can give all your money to the preachers preaching it but you will never receive the Blessing of Jesus Christ. It is not possible. YOu can however receive what the devil wants to give you but in the long run you will not have what you seek. Money and power will no longer do you any good when the LORD returns for HIS church. Do not be surprised when He tells you I never knew you. Seek the truth of the Word of God while you still have time. I say this because God our Father does not want one to be lost. That is my prayer that all who are following the money preachers have their eyes and ears opened to hear the truth. It is all about Jesus Christ and HIM crucified not about money, wealth and power.

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  31. Pro.10:22 It is the blessing of the Lord that makes rich,And He adds no sorrow to it.If Joyce is walking with the Lord and ministering for over thirty years, and divorced 5 times and is now divorced. Something is wrong with this picture.With the word of faith name it and claim it,money cometh to me now. It has families that are being destroyed because of fear that if they say a negative word they will lose everything they have sowed(money) to the preacher and evil things will happen to them.Even when they are falling behind on their bills because they gave because the preacher said they had to,must obey the pastor.Houses have been lost,families divorced because of having to give to the preacher.The Lord has said in His Word to give to Him with a cheerful heart,not grudgingly or under compulsion.We give to the Lord not to get rich and not because we have been told to by man.James 2:5 Listen,my beloved brethren: did not God choose the poor of this world to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom which He promised to those who love Him? As Paul said He has learned to be content with little or much.If you have made the Lord Jesus Christ,the Lord of your life then follow him and be as Paul content where you are.Nothing is to big for the Lord if we let Him lead us and,follow Him not man.His WORD is TRUTH if rightly divided,and the Holy Spirit will teach us if we come to Jesus and ask Him.In Jesus's Love JC

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  32. This woman is headed for big trouble. To tell people that her Man of Gawd told her to have her followers give her cash in the parking lot or in her dinner basket, she has to know that is a ploy to avoid paying income tax. She's not real smart to be broadcasting that she is participating in something she knows is criminal. But then again, criminals aren't too smart to begin with - they usually do brag about their exploits and that's what eventually gets them caught.

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  33. I my opinion anyone who claims to be called of God to preach his word they had better be preaching the truth. Is Joyce preaching the truth? I have heard she teaches who you are in Christ! I know if she had the truth about who you are in Christ she would not be preaching money cometh to me now. Does she tell you that being in Christ means that when Christ died we died. When Christ rose we rose with him. I am sure she told you this. But did she tell you that with Christ death and his resurrection that if you are truly his you old nature (self) died and when
    Jesus raised from the dead all who believe Him was raised with a new nature. However, this new nature does not make us a little g god. There is one True God which has three Divine Persons. GOD THE FATHER, GOD THE SON, GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT. This is what my Bible says. I have searched for several now and can not find Joyce Leiphon's name anywhere in the Bile, when self refuses to allow the Holy Spirit work in their life He will not over ride your free will. If you choose to believe you are a little g God according to the Bible I read that makes you an idolator. What does the true Word of God say about idolaters? Does it not ALL IDOLATORS will be lost? The Lord has released me from interceding for Joyce and other family members who are following her. However he has not released me from defending the true g
    GOSPEL of OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST as all true born-again believers are called to do.

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  34. I find it very disturbing to hear that anyone who claims to be a minister of the Gospel of Our Lord Jesus Christ, would tell members of the congragation to not give them money while in the service. But to wait and give cash out in the parking lot or some other way. To me that is dishonest. Why in the world would a preacher do such a thing? What does the wink and the nod mean? Proverbs speaks about the wink of the eye. I just wonder if it means the same for preachers?

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  35. Compulsory tithing and money cometh
    I have seen it all. These characters have numerous ways to get your money out of your wallet and into theirs. From compulsory tithing, to having to buy your healing, to getting rich by throwing money on the altar of a crook
    These guys know how to finance their kingdoms on earth.

    Here is what the Bible teaches:
    There are three time periods: Before the Law, Under the Law, and After the Law.
    Before the law, tithing was voluntary.Gen. 14:20, 28:22
    Tithing did not become compulsory until the law was established, Lev.27:30,32, and remained compulsory as long as the law was in existence, through the Gospels.
    After Pentecost, when the church age began, the letter of the law was abolished, and giving was again voluntary according to the grace of God. 2 Cor. 9:7 "You must decide in your heart how much to give. And don't give reluctantly or in response to pressure. For God loves a person who gives cheerfully."
    2 Cor. 9:9 "As the scriptures say, They share freely and give generously to the poor. Their good deeds will be remembered forever."

    Anyone who manipulates, compels, or bribes money from you is not doing so by the Spirit of the Lord. That person is seeking his own things, not the things of Jesus Christ.

    God only funds what He builds. When a man builds a church and demands tithes, then he started the church, not God. He may talk the talk, but God did not start his church. He needs tithes to keep his kingdom going.

    The church is not buildings at all. It is a gathering of the saints where ever that will be. True shepherds tend to the flock and feed them what they receive from the Lord.This is something to really think on. Established religion is always anti-God. John the Baptist had to preach in the wilderness. Jesus preached away from established religion. John Wesley had to preach in cow pastures. True men of God are not welcomed in pulpits for the most part. There are a lot of tares in the wheat field, and many of them are pastors. So it is not strange they de
    mand tithes, teach error, and refuse correction

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  36. The only reason the pastor would tell people to give her money "out in the parking lot" (which equals "under the table") is so she can probably just say that this money would not be considered income and that way she can hide it and avoid paying income taxes on it. Investigators and attorneys with IRS are very much aware of these fraudulent schemes, and it will eventually come back to haunt her.

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  37. When you go to a store and they take a pen and mark your money to see if it is real, does that offend you? Do you get all upset and tell them you are not shopping here anymore.So why do so many that are asked to prove by the Word of God in context of the Word that this doctrine of name it and claim it money cometh to me now, is true get upset and say they are not going to talk to you any more,even if they are born by the same mother and father?Paul in 2nd Cor.13:5 says Test yourselves to see if you are in the faith.Through out the Bible it speaks of Satan using lying prophets and shepherds.The letters of Paul in Gal.1:8 says But even though we, or an angel from heaven,should preach to you a gospel contrary to that which we have preached to you,let him be accursed.So if you want to know the truth google the truth about money cometh to me now.Then compare what you find that they share on many websites with the word of God.Look at what David Wilkerson,D.R.McConnell (a different gospel) Charles Stanley,Frances and Friends on jsm.org also what Jimmy Swaggart teaches.If you ask Jesus to show you the truth and are willing to admit that you could be wrong. And put the teaching of the word of faith teachers and these others side by side see which is of God.

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  38. I am here only to forward the truth of the Word of God says to us all! That truth is JESUS AN HIM CRUCIFIED. It is only through the shed Blood of my Savior can I enter the presence of God my Father. We are told by the Apostles to defend the Gospel! The Gospel that Paul give us through the Holy Spirit. There is no new revelation to the Scripture. My understanding is when John the Beloved died the Holy Scripture was then closed! I do understand the Holy Spirit will give those who ask revelation knowledge of His word. Nothing new! I will stand up for Jesus Christ and the salvation He has given to the world through His shed blood. I don't care which family member refuses to talk to me. You see Jesus Christ is Lord of my life. I continue to ask the Father in Jesus Name to be more of him and less of me everyday. I will not slap my Savior in the face to have my earthly family to approve of me or what I post on this blog. Jesus Christ is my all in all. Without Him I am lost forever. Those who are reading this and they are following the false teaching on the word of faith, money cometh, name it and claim it doctrine, you are following the same lie that Eve believed. You are following minister of satan. If the true Gospel offends you then so be it. But not one will even try to show me my error. They say you don't know what I believe. Well I have read the books they teach from. I have been in the word of faith doctrine. So I do know what they believe. Truly it is all flesh. Am I perfect No! Will I ever be in this life absolutely not. Am I looking for all the promises of yes I am. Do I know what all of for me today is. Well all I can truly say is I have them all in Christ Jesus.

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  39. I want to correct a statement made earlier. I said our Dad had graduated to be with The Lord 27 years ago. I was wrong my math was off he graduated 22years ago. It will be 23 years this month. I miss him and the truth he shared with us all. I will have tho say I did not understand the truth he was telling until many years after his graduation. I am so thankful that though I didn't understand it then. I do now. People are still coming to the saving knowledge that Dad preached years ago in the area where we live. It truly amazes me me the knowledge he learned at the feet of Jesus in such a short time. Now when I read some of the papers he had written I realized just how much The Lord had given to him in order to bring all his family to the Savior. He truly was a man called of God to preach the salvation message of the Cross of Jesus to all who would hear. My regret is the he never knew that I would understand that Jesus did all as he had so often told me and other family members. What a blessing dad has been . Thank you Lord Jesus for your shed Blood that sets men free!

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  40. I have never heard the term graduated before, referring to the passing of a loved one. I know when my parents died, I told everyone they had gone home to be with the Lord. Your dad sounds like he was a wonderful man.

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  41. Thank you for your comment about my dad. Yes he was a wonderful man after he got saved. I like the term graduated (which I got from my brother). Since we are on the earth I look at it as though we are in sclool while on this earth. So I do believe we graduate to our eternal life with Jesus. He told me often that when we stop learning from the word of God we will revert back to what we were knowing Jesus Christ. You know I have found that to be true. That among many other thing he said to me has finally brought me into the true knowledge of Jesus Christ and Him Crucified. I just pray my other family members would come to this knowledge. Again thank you for your kind words.

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  42. Acts 20:33-35
    "I have coveted no one's silver or gold or apparel Yes you yourselves know that these hands have provided for my necessities and for those who were with me. I have shown you in every way, by laboring like this that you must support the weak. And remember the words of Jesus, that He said. IT IS MORE BLESSED TO GIVE THAN TO RECEIVE.

    I can see now the money preachers do not believe the words of the bible. If they did they would be out giving everyone they know just to get the BLESSING. Of course since they are already little g god the have no need for blessings from The Lord. I wonder what I if anything these so call little gods have created other then a false gospel. Another Jesus.

    You know the funny thing about this is not one of the followers of this false gospel will tell how many years the have been sowing to the minister and how much has their return been. Now I am sure the ones at the top of the pile are getting large returns. But what about you the ones who are still waiting for your blessing

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  43. We are expected to be Temperate & Sober Minded = nephalios, to be aware or to be wineless.

    sophron safe (sound) in mind, in self-control of ones desires, impulses, and senses. The fruit of the Holy Spirit is self-control (Gr. egreitei), not the lack of it which is what we see when people claim they are “drunk in the spirit”. To find yourself rolling on the on the floor or staggering is to lose self-control. You cannot claim this activity is from God when there is no biblical precedent. Being filled with the Spirit gives us Godly results, not makes us act as the world. To defend such a position shows a lack of Bible knowledge and maturity in the faith.

    The Spirit already indwells the believer. What they are doing is depending on something external to gain influence, to have them act drunk- out of control. Besides having no biblical precedence. If this means one is filled with the spirit then not acting like this means you are not filled with the Spirit.

    Does an experience not mentioned in the Scripture override what is mentioned? This is not God doing a new thing because He would be contradicting what He wrote about the activity of the Spirit. That we are to have the mind of Christ- which I do not see anywhere acting in such a foolish manner.

    Does the world see anything different in us if we are acting drunk like they do? How can the life of Christ be exhibited if we act this way? People who drink continually are called alcoholics, what should we call those in the church?

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  44. I would be very concerned about what spirit the are bing lead by!!!! It appears to the word of God says not to be drunk on the fruit of the vine, why would the Holy Spirit make us behave as though we were in the world

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  45. I doubt that anyone at light of the world would be allowed to read these books. A different Gospel,A Historical and Biblical Analysis of the Modern faith Movement by D.R. McConnell.The other The Midas Touch,A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity by Kenneth E. Hagin.To anyone that is wanting truth worth your time.Like real money it will with stand the test to see if it is real.The real Gospel will stand the test.One in the true Gospel does not have to be afraid to test it and see if it is true.Take the teachings on prosperity that is taught by the word of faith teachers Leroy Thompson and others compare it with first is it in context with the Bible.And if Christ be in you 7/24 no one else can be that close He by the Holy Spirit will show you the truth.Then with Jimmy Swaggart,Charles Stanley and there are others just know these are true.It's only by the Grace of God through the finished work of Jesus on the Cross, that we can know the truth and walk in it.Christ in us the Hope of Glory.Look at 2nd Cor.4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels,that the surpassing greatness of the power may be of God and not from ourselves.

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  46. No Apostle ever instructed the church to sow a seed of money for a hundredfold harvest to come in. Jesus said the seed is the word Lk.8:11, the prosperity teachers say it is money. Who are you going to believe? The soil is a receptive heart that the word is to enter in to bring fruit, but if you change the seed to money then what is entering the heart of man is coveting. It is not the word of God but a worldly replacement that will have them focus on the things of the world.

    The followers are trained to believe, what you sow is what you receive:

    The bible teaches Gal 6:7: “Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life. And let us not grow weary while doing good, for in due season we shall reap if we do not lose heart.”

    Sowing to get more money, riches is to the flesh, not to things that will be eternal and be found in heaven (things of the Spirit). Do you think your money or things acquired is going to meet you in heaven? These eternal things spoken of, Jesus said “For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.” If you are pursuing riches on earth then your heart ands spirit is of this world. Its not God blessing because you have become are an enemy of God to pursue this. Yes we all have certain necessities of which God promises to meet. He does not ask of money from us to meet our basic needs.

    A good work is something profitable for God, something done in Christ’s nature that involved the fruit of the spirit. It something that you will be rewarded for later in heaven. Your treasure is found in the people you helped.

    Making seed into money shows one does not understand the very basics of Scripture and should not be teaching. God does not use false teachers to teach true doctrine.

    Mk.4:18-19 “Now these are the ones sown among thorns; they are the ones who hear the word, “and the cares of this world, the deceitfulness of riches, and the desires for other things entering in choke the word, and it becomes unfruitful. When the cares of the world become priority, what suffers? They distract us from the heavenly calling. Eventually people who pursue the riches of the world lose interest in the spiritual matters that God has called us to. Like Esau they trade it for their temporal appetite to be fulfilled. What you have now you will not have later.

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  47. How are we to obey those who rule over us?

    In the church there is organized leadership that is marked by servanthood.

    “Obey those who rule over you, and be submissive, for they watch out for your souls, as those who must give account. Let them do so with joy and not with grief, for that would be unprofitable for you” (Hebrews 13:17). This means those who lead, govern or guide, we are to respect and honor and serve them as they are appointed to serve us. They are to give an account to God for how they serve us so we should do whatever we can to make it pleasant.

    In some respects we are all equals in the body of Christ, in other respects we have leadership. but the submission does only go one way.

    1 Peter 5:5: “Likewise you younger people, submit yourselves to your elders. Yes, all of you be submissive to one another, and be clothed with humility…” (Also Ephesians 5:21 and 1 Thessalonians 5:13).

    Not all pastors act as servants, what happens when a shepherd is acting more like pharaoh? His position of authority is abused and the church then becomes like a cult. Jesus always gave people choices and did not force them or coerce them to do what is right. He would explain what is right so they understood why he did what He did. this did not involve blind obedience.

    Eph 5:18-21: “Be filled with the Spirit, speaking to one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord, giving thanks always for all things to God the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, v.21submitting to one another in the fear of God.”

    This is one of the affects of being filled with the Spirit, humility is present and a willingness to allow others to speak even to correct us. But we cannot submit to those we cannot trust. Trust is proven by ones actions not just words.

    1 Cor. 11:3 A positional hierarchy in the family; the same as Eph 5:22 the subjection of the wife to her husband

    Ephesians 5:22 states, “Wives submit to your husbands as to the Lord, for the husband is the head of the wife as also Christ is the head of the Church and He is Savior of the body. Therefore just as the Church is subject to Christ so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything.”

    Scripture says, We are to submit to one another - Eph 5:21 We are to submit those who rule over us in the faith. Younger Christians are to submit to the elders, and to one another as well, even as we submit to God - 1 Pet. 5:5-7.

    Submission is an integral part of Christianity, if one does not submit to the higher authorities how can they submit to those lesser authorities. If one does not submit to authority it may show they are in rebellion, Submission is directly linked to humility.

    Phil. 2:5-8 Jesus submitted to his higher authority - the Father and to his lower authority- his parents while he was in a submissive state as a man on earth he still obeyed them.

    Heb. 13:17 We are to submit to the ordinances of government - 1 Pet. 2:13-15; Unless they go against God’s authority.

    Most importantly is our submission to the word, whether we are in full time ministry or not at all.

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  48. I have a book all believers should have regardless of Doctrinal belief! "MY UTMOST FOR HIS HIGHEST" written by Oswald Chambers. Great man of God

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  49. If Jesus told the apostles to spread the goods news to all the world but they were not to take anyt provision for themselves why do so many preachers think the should be paid to do what Jesus said not to do? Then you have preachers telling you to put cash in their pocket to make them wealthy. I just do not understand how these so called men and women called of God to preach the good news to their flock yet all they want is money. Do they care about the Spiritual life? Does anyone besides me think this is not right?

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  50. Isaiah 58:1-5. When I read this then take the whole chapter theLord was really saying the people of God just like the church was giving lip service. Then I read in chapter 57:1-21. What I understand from this we like Israel are just as guilty of idolatry as the were. do we truly have all our trust in what the true Word of God says or are we trusting in some teaching from some man. Have ever wondered why this country is in the shape it is today. Well reading Isaiah and the other Phrophets of Old shows me why. We have not kept our faith and Trust in our true god. We have turned to idol worship. Mostly ourselves an other men or women who call themselves preachers. God will forgive us just as He forgave Israel. JesusChrist is our only way out of this world alive! Spiritual death is knocking on the door,with most preachers teaching false doctrine such as word of faith and money cometh. Most of these preachers teach out of the law of old covenant instead of the Grace of the new covenant .

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    1. How may I ask do we worship ourselves? I don't bow before statues so I can't see what you are saying here. As far as the law of Moses goes aren't we still suppose to apply these to our daily life? I just can not understand how we can be like Isreal of old when I believe in Jesus. I do trust that my pastor is prea hing the truth. But how can I know for sure?

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    2. Our human nature is why we worship ourselves. When Adam sinned it changed us so our focus was no longer on God and His will for our lives into wanting to be god or like god and doing what we want or what makes us feel good. Israel was prosperous as long as they follow the word of God with their heart. When they became so wealthy they no longer believe they needed help from The Lord they like us became immoral beings. While they went so far as sacrifice their children to the pagan god molech. We kill our babies with abortion and think nothing of it. You can read all the in the word of God
      Now even the devil believes in Jesus. He knows he is defeated. Our faith must be only in what Jesus did on the cross. So if we put our faith in anyone or anything else it is idol worship. We can not live a life without sin being our main focus unless the Holy Spirit lives in us and we allow Him to change us. Something we can not do for ourselves.

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  51. She gives God all the glory for her life? What about all the lives she has destroyed? This gal is a narcissistic lying sociopath.

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  52. I I believe when you willfully reject the Word of God ( Jesus), we all become our own God just like Joyce and other preachers of this kind. Now but for the Grace of God go I, even Paul the great apostle through whom The Lord Jesus gave the revelation of what the Cross of Christ never boasted about himself. We all can learn from what Paul wrote in 2Cor 12.
    What we see in the preaching of the word of faith and money cometh is man wanting to be god instead of being the created being we are. I pray God's mercy for these spiritually dead preachers! Not only are they on their way to destruction but they are taking many souls with them. They have rejected the chastisement of the Lord. Hebrews 12:8 says "but if you are without chastening of which all have become partakers then you are illegitimate and not son". God corrects His children, however when you refuse to listen to The Lord as Joyce and others are doing God will allow them to continue in their own devices to please Him. Come judgment day they will be rejected, Jesus will say go away I never knew you!!! So very sad.

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  53. I wonder how many prosperity preachers realize that even Jesus the human "man" did not name it and claim it blab and grab it as so many are preaching today? My bible says he only did what He saw the Father do! Now the bible says Jesus was filled with the Holy Spirit when John baptized him. While He (Jesus) received. The full power of the Holy Spirit, as He gave his all to His Father God, we cannot in our human nature ever be while in the life totally and completely ruled by the Holy Spirit. I mean by saying this we will never be little g gods. Jesus was truly obedient in all things. He alone could do this. If there was any way for a human to even become a little g god then there would have been no need in God the Son to become like as we ( in a flesh body). Without a sin nature to die on the cross as payment for all humans sin. Jesus overcame death, hell and the grave! By His perfect sacrifice! His shed Blood set captives free. Is the Jesus you believe in setting you free? There is no bondage in Christ Jesus! He has freed us from the wages of all sin! Are you living in the freedom Jesus has given to all who believe or have pick up the yoke of bondage of others? Are you sure you are free or do you have to make your preacher rich before you can have the blessing of God

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  54. Matthew 16:12 this scripture makes me ponder the question why does Joyce Leiphon tell her followers not to even speak to those who do not believe what she teaches. Those who have left this preachers flock are shunned by her flock. Please read the above Scriptue,then tell me this preacher is preaching Christ. Also reading these post I can say if this preacher truly LOVED her followers as she supposedly preaches, why doesn't she seek those she believes to be lost? From what I am reading I would gather she again is hearing from her god to let the go as they are rejecting Christ! Her God told her to marry yet told her to commit sin by divorcing a believing husband. I truly have to question what Spirit she is seeking and listening to. Odd very odd! Even Paul all through the epistles continue to seek out those who were lost or even confused

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  55. Whoever said something about the followers not revealing how much they have received back from the pastor; don't worry if they don't reveal it; when Pastor Leiphon gets hauled into federal court for income tax evasion, all of these followers will be subpoenaed and will have to testify as to how much they have received. And the pastor is not going to be too pleased when she has to cough up all of her wealth to pay high profile defense attorneys to keep her butt out of the federal crossbar Hilton.

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  56. Well when this happens I believe she thinks Leroy will help her out. I am sure that will not happen as he is going to keep all his money and tell her sorry about your luck. The sad thing is that this woman is lying and stealing from people she says God has placed her to teach. So sad however I do not believe anyone of those giving to her has had a return on their money. At least not as she teaches one hundred fol

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  57. Considering all the good posts and the truths that have been posted on this site I can not for the life of me understand how anyone could still be following such a person. All I can say is most people must be as greedy as this person is. Or like someone said believing the same lie that Eve believed. I can't see how anyone could stay in a church were the pastor told you not to have anything to do with those who leave. blows my mind how some people just loved to be controlled by another person.

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  58. I just googled the Medical Aspects of the Crucifixion of Jesus Christ/ The Mayo Clinic has very good graphics along with a great explanation. Now my comment is go look at it for yourself then please someone tell me if God's love is all mushy, gooey. I have been told that I haven't told my family member in LOVE that they were wrong in their belief of the Word of Faith and the money cometh to me now that they hold so dearly to their heart. Now the way I look at it with the Medical Aspects of The Crucifixion of the only Son of the most High GOD and the gospel of John that says God so loved the World that He gave His ONLY Son to die for all men. This tells me that Gods Agape LOVE is not all mushy gushy and gooey. It can be very harsh. Why did God the Father of Jesus Christ wait until the most horrible manor of death known to man to send His son to die for us? Well I came to the only conclusion I could. Since it is evident that God did LOVE JESUS His only Son and allowed him to die in this manor what would stop God from allowing us all to go one our merry way and reject what Jesus did on the Cross. We reject Jesus and His finished work of the Cross when we follow the doctrine of men and not the Word of God. We have to allow the HOLY SPIRIT to work in our lives develop our OWN relationship with Jesus Christ. We can not do that if we are believing anything else. No matter what the source is. God loves you so much He will allow you to follow every wind and doctrine of man and the devil. Following lies will not lead you to eternal life with God. It will not lead you to the desire that you believe you deserve. At know time or anywhere in the Word of God does it say we will be like God. Yes I know the fact that when Jesus is living his life in us some can say we are as god. however we ourselves are not producing that life. It is Jesus Christ who is producing HIs life in us. So When you believe you are a little g god well I am telling you with all the LOVE I know that this is idolatry. When you name it and claim it, it is idolatry. How can I say this well it is easy that is what the Truth of the Word of God Says. I love all my family and want them all to know the truth. You see it has nothing to do with me it is all About Jesus Christ and Him Crucified. Love well as I have said before we as human can not love anyway but selfishly. God on the other hand by sending Jesus Christ to be the Sacrifice for our sins love unselfishly. There was nothing in this sacrifice for God it was for all men. God did not have to die for us He could have wrote us off with out another thought. God unselfishly gave HIS own life for us that we may know HIS LOVE.

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  59. Good word jfcecil.On Oct.28th. in the book My Utmost for His Highest, he says I am not saved by believing
    I simply realize I am saved by believing. And it is not repentance that saves me ---repentance is only the sign that I realize what God has done through Christ Jesus.The danger here is putting the emphasis on the effect, instead of the cause.Is it my obedience,consecration, and dedication that made me right with God? It is never that!I am made right with God because,prior to all of that Christ died.

    I will let you get the book and see what the rest of the page says.It is by Oswald Chambers.

    The salvation that comes from God is not based on human logic, but the sacrificial death of Jesus.
    It is a gift from God that we receive and we can add nothing to it,He doesn't need our help.

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  60. I happened to drive by the area of LOTWC on Sunday, October 28th, where a Harvest Festival was going on. I bet that Joyce Leiphon was standing in the midst of it all, yelling Admission $500 !!!

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  61. Joyce, you have sent small children away crying who were trick or treating, telling them that they were worshiping the Devil. Well, you do like to be worshiped, so TODAY IS YOUR DAY !!!

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  62. You know even Jesus didn't send the children away. Now I do not celebrate Hallween,however I do not tell Little children they are worshiping the devil. I personally would try to talk to the parents and tell them what this day is actually celebrating. I have live where I am for over 20 years and the people do not come to my home to trick or treat. Yes I have had my house egged a time or two but I still will not send children away in tears. If they ask why I do not give out candy I tell them it is because I do not celebrate pagan holidays and leave it at that. Most of the time they do not ask why. IF Joyce didn't want to pass out candy then she should not have had any kind of function going on at her group and kept the doors closed at her home with the lights off.

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  63. I totally respect your belief if you do in fact feel that Halloween is a pagan holiday. I personally look at Halloween as just a fun time for kids (and some adults) to dress up, get some treats, and have a good time. I absolutely abhor the negative things that sometimes occur with this holiday.

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  64. Wonder if Joyce Leiphon is going to still think she is high and mighty and above the law and that she can get away with hiding money when IRS agents come a 'knockin on her door.

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