I'm posting this because I've been part of this "drunk in the spirit", stumbling and bumbling, crawling on the floor, laughing hysterically all the while thinking this was of God. Joyce Leiphon encourages and leads by example in this behavior. So the question is:
Question: "Is being drunk in the Spirit a biblical experience?"
Answer: Nowhere in the Bible does it say to be drunk in the Spirit. When the Bible speaks of being drunk, it always has a negative connotation. The only place in Scripture that alludes to the idea of “spiritual drunkenness” is Isaiah 29:9-14, and it refers to God’s judgment upon sin and apostasy.
Some leaders in the Word of Faith movement and churches associated with the Toronto Blessing promote the false idea of being “drunk in the Spirit” or being filled with “drunken glory.” Congregations are instructed to “get drunk,” “take another drink,” and cast off all restraint. Stumbling gaits, slurred speech, falling to the ground and other odd behaviors are “proof” of the work of the Holy Spirit.
The false teachers who promote being drunk in the Spirit point to Acts 2:13 as justification for their aberrant practice. On the day of Pentecost, as the apostles were preaching the gospel, some in the crowd said, “They have had too much wine.” The accusation was obviously a mockery of the apostles, and Peter flatly denies any hint of inebriation (verse 15). Yet today’s Word of Faith teachers take this jest from an ungodly crowd and use it as “evidence” that Peter and the apostles were preaching in a senseless stupor. Such twisting of Scripture not only demeans the apostles, it also dishonors the Holy Spirit.
The apostle Paul wrote, “Be very careful, then, how you live—not as unwise but as wise, making the most of every opportunity, because the days are evil. Therefore, do not be foolish, but understand what the Lord's will is. Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit” (Ephesians 5:15-18).
Paul says that getting drunk is akin to our old way of life with its worldly and self-serving desires. Such behavior is debased and “leads to debauchery” (compare Colossians 1:21; Romans 13:13). The word debauchery is a translation of a Greek word meaning “lawless insolence or unmanageable caprice.” Paul deliberately contrasts the state of drunkenness (a loss of control) with the indwelling of the Spirit of God (a gain of self-control, Galatians 5:23).
God wants every aspect of our lives as believers to be under the complete control of the Holy Spirit. This does not come by drunkenness, and it does not mimic its effects.
Acting drunk and blaming it on the Spirit of God is sin. Those who teach spiritual intoxication are more closely allied with Bacchus, the Roman god of wine and drunkenness, than with the true God of the Bible. Being filled with the Spirit is not some ecstatic or emotionally charged experience. It is not a heavenly high or a spiritual buzz. Being filled with the Spirit is a steady submission of one’s life to the God of glory (1 John 3:24).
Pastor Jason Baumgardner
13 years ago
Thanks Bill I just watch a video of Joyce pretending to be drunk on the spirit. Her daughter and another woman had it seem to hold her so she could step down from the stage and as she was praying for people. Then when she was done praying or whatever it is she is doing she almost ran back to her stage. TO me this is so the people keep their eyes on her to show them how godly she believes she is. Still it comes down to just wanting their money.
ReplyDeleteI want to say that I got saved in 1974 However, coming out of a Roman Catholic background I had a lot of false teaching to get through before I could hear the truth from the Word of God. No matter how much I tried to live the LIFE the Word says to live I could not. I knew I was a sinner saved by the grace of God but I didn't know Jesus Christ personally. I have to say that in 2000 is when the reality of what Jesus had done for me at the Cross was I able to understand the Jesus died for me. Matter of fact it was if he told me himself that had he not already gone to the cross for me he would have let me nail him to the cross and then forgive me for doing it. My life has not been the same since then. Do I do everything right I will be the first one to tell you NO I do not. that is why I feel I can post on this site the things I know in my heart are not true that my sister Joyce Leiphon preaches. I have a Godly hatred for all false teaching. I will contend for the Faith of Jesus Christ of the Bible. No other will I listen to. I like all of need the help of others when we are following the wrong road. I love my sister and only want the best for her
ReplyDeleteQuestion: "Was Jesus rich/wealthy?"
ReplyDeleteAnswer: As the second person of the Trinity, Jesus is as rich as God is rich. Indeed, our Lord owns everything and possesses all power, authority, sovereignty, glory, honor, and majesty (Isaiah 9:6; Micah 5:2; John 1:1, 8:58, 10:30, 17:5; Colossians 1:15-18, 2:9-10; Hebrews 1:3). Yet during the time Jesus was here on earth, He willingly relinquished His eternal riches and most of the privileges of His deity. Becoming poor indeed, our Lord took on the nature of a lowly and humble servant (Zechariah 9:9; 2 Corinthians 8:9; Philippians 2:6-8). And by the time our Savior endured the tortures of the cross for us, His earthly possessions amounted to no more than the clothes on His back which were divided up by the soldiers who crucified Him.
Sadly, however, there are many prosperity preachers today who would like you to believe that Jesus was rich while here on earth and that God wants nothing more than to lavish His children with an abundance of material blessings. After all, a rich Jesus would certainly make it easier for them to persuade their flock that God wants them to be rich too. However, a materially rich Jesus Christ is utterly incompatible with biblical truth. Even a cursory examination of the Bible should dispel any notion of our Savior being wealthy in an earthly sense. During His public ministry, Christ and His disciples depended entirely on the hospitality of others as they ministered from town to town (Matthew 10:9-10). As Jesus told a would-be follower “Foxes have holes and birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay His head” (Luke 9:58).
It is unfortunate, then, that this false teaching about Christ’s wealth and its concomitant “gospel of greed” has gained a foothold in churches today. As Solomon aptly taught, however, “there is nothing new under the sun” (Ecclesiastes 1:9), for we can see that Paul addressed similar matters in his own churches: “Watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them. For such people are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the minds of naïve people” (Romans 16:17-18).
Paul’s terse commentary in his first letter to Timothy regarding those who think godliness is a means to financial gain captures the essence of Christ’s numerous teachings on the dangers that accompany a heart bent on the accumulation of earthly treasure: “People who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge men into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs” (1 Timothy 6:9-10).
Indeed, the New Testament is filled with lessons where Jesus chides the rich and praises the poor. He taught us to “Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; a man’s life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions” (Luke 12:15). And to not store up for ourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. But to store up for ourselves treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal (Matthew 6:19-21). Our Lord, who knows the hearts of men, is aware of the deceitfulness of riches and what a considerable stumbling block wealth can be. The sentiment of Proverb 30:9 which declares “I may have too much and disown you and say ‘who is the LORD’” reverberates through the entirety of God’s Word. Thus, it would be a strange paradox indeed—and one that would certainly dilute the gospel message—if Jesus Christ was a member of the rich class of people who, as He declared, would find it so difficult “to enter the kingdom of Heaven” (Matthew 19:23).
I be honest with you I truly believe some of these people are truly deceived some are just greedy I really do not believe they are truly nuts or anything. They don't take time to seek the face of God or to read the Word of God for themselves. They trust that the preacher will always hear from God and they do not have to seek His face.
ReplyDeleteIf they want to really get drunk, isn't there an ABC Liquors right in front of that church?
ReplyDeleteWell so many people do not understand what the Scripture is saying when the said the Apostles were drunk when the HOLY SPIRIT was given to them. So Joyce being one of them uses being drunk on the Spirit of god as a way to draw attention to herself. From what I have read of this post from her family members this is what she has done all her life. So why would it be different now
ReplyDeleteyou know it really doesn't matter what the preacher say or does if you who profess to be a Christian do not read and study the Word for your self but depend on another person to tell you what the Word of God says you are in deep trouble. You see when I was a Roman Catholic I believed what the Priest told me. I was told that I could not understand what the bible said since I wasn't spiritual enough and only they the Priest could tell us what it means. Seems to me that is what I am understanding that Joyce Leiphon is preaching. She does say for those following her to read the Word but at the same time they can only understand it as she explains what it means. Where is the HOLY SPIRIT in all this. IS she saying that HE only works through her? So sad
ReplyDeleteWhen did Joyce's daughter become a God fearing good Christian woman? Better yet, why?
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ReplyDeleteMat 6:24 No man 3762 can 1410 serve 1398 two 1417 masters 2962: for 1063 either 2228 he will hate 3404 the one 1520, and 2532 love 25 the other 2087; or else 2228 he will hold 472 to the one 1520, and 2532 despise 2706 the other 2087. Ye cannot 3756 1410 serve 1398 God 2316 and 2532 mammon3126.
Luk 16:9 And I 2504 say 3004 unto you 5213, Make 4160 to yourselves 1438 friends 5384 of 1537 the mammon3126 of unrighteousness 93; that 2443, when 3752 ye fail 1587 , they may receive 1209 you 5209 into 1519 everlasting 166 habitations 4633.
Luk 16:11 If 1487 therefore 3767 ye have 1096 0 not 3756 been 1096 faithful 4103 in 1722 the unrighteous 94 mammon3126, who 5101 will commit 4100 0 to your 5213 trust 4100 the true 228 [riches]?
Luk 16:13 No 3762 servant 3610 can 1410 serve 1398 two 1417 masters 2962: for 1063 either 2228 he will hate 3404 the one 1520, and 2532 love 25 the other 2087; or else 2228 he will hold 472 to the one 1520, and 2532 despise 2706 the other 2087. Ye cannot 3756 1410 serve 1398 God 2316 and 2532 mammon3126.
When I hear so called preachers of god saying that if you are poor it is your own fault as you are cursed I know they do not know the Truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I even heard Joyce Leiphon say that when a preacher is poor they don't know the word of God. Well in my opinion the above scriptures tells me that Joyce Leiphon does not know the scripture. How can you desire money as she preaches and still serve the ONE TRUE GOD. According to the above scripture it is not possible. Oh yeah you can say all the right words that sounds good but the fact that all you want is money is the main goal tells me all I need to know. God have mercy on your soul Joyce Leiphon for the damnation you are bring on yourself and some of your family members. Read what the Bible says about false teachers. You will get by with it for a while but destruction will come. I pray you repent while you still have time. I would rather be considered poor and save my soul then to have all the riches that you seek. I know my God has saved me from sin and death. I have what money can never purchase. Do You?
What a low life.
ReplyDeleteLeiphon's daughter is probably in there to help her mammy hide all that cash that she's not reporting to the IRS.
ReplyDeleteRead the 3rd chapter of Philippians.Look at the warnings that He gave also what he counted as loss.Why he gave them up.Look at those in 17-19,that are enemies of the cross of Christ,who set their minds on earthy things.Is Jesus truly your Lord are you following another jesus, a money jesus?The thing in the word of faith teachings a few years ago was divine healing because a preacher laid hands and prayed and said you were healed. After people saw it didn't work just like they said it did,they changed programs now it is money cometh to me now.We will see how long this lasts.Because when people start losing their cars and homes because they can't pay their bills and the (so called church) will not help them,and they cry out to God and go to the Bible and they allow the Holy Spirit to rightly divide His Word He will set them free. And lead them to a Church that teaches the truth.Look at Luke 6;38 Joyce teaches this about money. Read the chapter it is about Love your enemies,being merciful,judging and forgiving.Your standard of measure it will be measured to you in return. In my Bible Paul and the other apostles where not rich in silver and gold but where rich in their walk with the Lord, and their main purpose was preaching the Gospel and souls were saved.With all your riches Joyce where are the souls that are being saved.Did Paul preach money cometh to me now?
ReplyDeleteDoes Joyce Leiphon really have all these riches, or is she just bragging, as sociopaths and pathological liars do, in order to make themself look good, because they are so insecure. We don't doubt for a moment that Joyce is bringing in good money, but we also suspect that much of it may be exaggerated, because sociopaths have a never ending desire to make the world think they are so damn special. But Joyce Leiphon is the only one who thinks she is special; the rest of the world, except the nuts in her cult, know better.
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